потрясающие истории

[lapot]

рассказывает живущая в Германии женщина, попавшая под колёса германской системы юстиции. Попасть под машину юстиции может любой в любой стране.

История обвинения кратко:
http://amonit.livejournal.com/607065.html?replyto=13471065

о германской тюрьме:
http://amonit.livejournal.com/608708.html#comments
http://amonit.livejournal.com/608926.html#comments

Вот тут по тегу истории о зечках, с которыми она сидела:
http://amonit.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%BA%D0%9E%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F

Заинтересовавшиеся могут походить по журналу, посмотреть остальное.

Ужасно всё это.

ЗЫ: в комментариях поделились ссылкой (спасибо Стасу Подольскому) - лекция лоера на Ю-тубе о мерах личной безопасности при столкновении с этой машиной "никогда не разговаривайте с полицией"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Comments

[sergeyoho.livejournal.com]

Меня раздражает момент, характерный для Запада (не для России-Украины итп, чьи проблемы носят другой характер). Судейские - всего лишь ещё одна ветвь власти. С одной стороны, безусловно полезная для общества. С другой – в любой большой бюрократической системе полно дерьма по определению. Плюс я не вижу причин, почему процент сволочей, дураков и дающих волю эмоциям в рабочее время людей должен быть именно в этой системе особенно низким.

Однако с точки зрения общественной критики система находится в весьма привилегированном положении. Может не всюду, про Италию читал забавные высказывания. Но в США, в Израиле и, вероятно, много ещё где, на другие ветви власти полагается выливать на порядок больше помоев. А этих чуть тронешь – «ах, наши небожители, ой угроза демократии».

[lapot.livejournal.com]

Она пишет, что в Германии судьи назначаются из прокурорских, а адвокаты шансов не имеют. Интересно, насколько соответствует действительности.

[vryadli]

То есть еще и изучила-знает всю систему сверху донизу. Без денег, связей - без чего еще там ты писал?

[lapot.livejournal.com]

Ну было время и повод изучить, пока в тюрьме сидела.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

There is one reason why the percentage love irresponsible dishonest of flaky people is expected to be lower in law enforcement especially in the judicial branch judges R elected or chosen or put in place by a process that includes vetting over their personalities and their previous histories. Of course there are errors in this reading process I'm in vetting process, and we are all aware of such errors as they become scandals more often than not. But in general, judges are to be trusted, and even much maligned attorneys are generally to be trusted as well. With police, things get a bit more hairy but even there, there is a basic trust in a policeman's integrity.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

I apologize for errors, I was testing out the dictation option.

[exceeder.livejournal.com]

+1, and even more so in Canada. Again, there is always room for error, but generally they all are reasonably good, well-intended and forgiving people of as high integrity as society could produce.

Since I kind of had exposure through friends of family into both systems, German and Canadian - as a friend, not a subject, I think in Canada the whole system is much more balanced, diverse and professional. But again, one should put "much more" into perspective. If one compares to post-soviet 90s, then both systems would be far beyond horizon and out of reach. That said, police in most German cities and towns are less paid and less educated than in British and Canadian cities and towns of comparable size and appeal. It pushes up - into staff officers, detectives etc.
Beyond couple speed tickets, I never dealt with US system, but it seems much less forgiving and less balanced, compared to Canadian one - at least based on the small talk in the line-up to prosecutor to fight the driving ticket.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

the US system is definitely not designed to be forgiving. nor balanced at the level of police. . the idea is always - it is either a law you broke or no law - and if police thinks you did, there is no use to argue. in fact, it is dangerous to argue. they can kill you if you argue, and get away with it. justice does get more just at the next level. for example, a kid who gets a disproportionately ugly and even racist treatment during traffic stop will get a lenient judge who will consider lack of prior offenses, the kids' general "gestalt", and let him off easy.

on the other hand, there are ... cases where you say wowowwow, never let's never get in this system from the wrong end.
an acquaintance in boston years back was accused by a vengeful and mentally unstable wife, he wanted to leave her - of molesting their child. the "wheels of justice" nearly ground him up - he emerged vindicated but thouroughly broken and broke by the process.